Monday, May 09, 2005
In Defense of Steve Nash for MVP
This was an email I tried to email Skip Bayless about this column. Unfortunately, ESPN's email links are broken, and I couldn't send the email. So, instead, I'm posting it here. Just pretend you're Skip Bayless.
I guess you couldn't be with ESPN, or a sports columinst of any sort for that matter, if you didn't speak in absolutes.
I agree that it's ridiculous that Shaq has only one MVP award. For many years, I looked at the MVP as an MVPNNSO (Most Valuable Player Not Named Shaquille O'Neal) and eventually became used to the fact that, for some inexplicable reason, Shaq did not win the MVP award every year (Except in 2003, when Duncan won his second. Duncan was absolutely the MVP that year). It's kind of an even more twisted version of the Jordan MVPs, at least Jordan won five of them (He should have seven, Barkley and Malone have no business winning one over MJ). In this case, the media (hey, wait, do YOU have a vote?) felt that giving Shaq one was enough.
Can somebody explain to me how Duncan has two MVPs and Shaq only has one? Iverson? Hey, he's the best pure scorer in the NBA, but the guy will never win anything, ever.
Garnett deserved it last year, hard to argue.
But, saying that Nash winning the MVP is "laughable" is laughable. Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, and Richardson had career years...because of Nash. The wide-open 3's? Because of Nash's ability to penetrate the lane and collapse the defense in on him. The alley-oops? You ever thrown an alley-oop pass? (wait, don't answer that one) They make it look a lot easier than it actually is- the timing and vision that it requires on both parts requires a lot of practice. And a lot of these alley-oops are in traffic. Nash's ability to see the open man is trumped only by one point guard in the NBA- the erstwhile Sun, Jason Kidd (who I would have given the MVP to in 2002 before Duncan, but not before Shaq). But what makes Nash so dangerous, so valuable even, is the fact that he has a deadly shooting range. You creep up on him, he'll zip around you; you give him a foot, he'll drill the jumper every time.
His ability to score on the perimeter allows him to run circles around defenses. Penetrate and kick, penetrate and lay it in, pick your poison.
So, smart guy, you might ask, why is it that Nash is only now breaking out? He was surrounded by stars in Dallas and never reached this plateau.
True, but Nash is the (pardon me, but I like this saying) straw that stirs the drink. You add the right ingredients and Nash is the best floor general around. Stoudemire is a great player and is going to be a perennial MVP candidate, but he's very young, and has a lot of leaks in his game. I'm not sure where you got the idea that he's a shot-blocker, Stoudemire averages 1.6bpg-rarely timely- that's .1 bgp more than Dirk Nowitzki, who nobody ever accuses of being a shot-blocker, so let's drop that charade.
Stoudemire has a serious problem passing out of the double team, as well. Nash makes it difficult to commit a double team on Amare, because Amare will just kick it back out to Nash for the 20-footer.
These high-flying acrobatics would not be possible without Nash. You don't see how much Nash opens up the floor, much like the people who claim that Wade is the Heat's MVP (a crazy notion, indeed) can't see how much Shaq opens up the floor. Nash is the reason that the defenses are stretched so thin. If you clog the lane, Nash swings it around the perimeter, if you guard the perimeter, Nash penetrates and kicks like nobody in the league. It's like an inverse Shaq effect.
Amare is the X-factor for Nash's ability to leap to the next level, obviously. Amare is the perfect pick-and-roll guy. He's a dominating low-post presence (something the Mavs never had) and has the ability to step out and hit the 16-footer with regularity. While Amare has elevated Nash's game, Nash has elevated Amare's game even more. It's a two-way street.
The effect is contageous. The team sees Nash sharing the ball, and everybody wants to do it. They all want to be involved.
Also, PG is by far a more complex position than center. You have the ball in your hands more than any other player and are responsible for making the decisions in a split-second. Without somebody to handle the ball, who gets in to the big guy? Name me a great center in the post-Chamberlain era that didn't have at least a decent ballhandler to dump it in to him. As Charles Barkley said, "Any knucklehead can score." Running an offense that has no structure like the Suns? An all-improv, all the time offense? Now THAT's difficult.
Now, don't get me wrong, if Shaq had won the award, I would have been fine with it. If I had a vote, I would have had to split it between the two somehow.
Shaq went out East and dominated. Out East where there is virutally no size. Out East where the second best center is a complete offensive liability who, despite being named Defensive Player of the Year three times now, couldn't guard Shaq one-on-one if Shaq played on his knees. Yes, I understand how dominant Shaq is, and he's very valuable, and it's an outrage that AI and Tim Duncan won awards over Shaq, but the East is still Miami, Detroit and a bunch of scrubby teams (Indiana would be a legit contender if they didn't have Ron ArCrazy to worry about). The West is a minefield of tough teams, even with Shaq in South Beach. And the Suns STILL finished with the best record in the league.
I guess you couldn't be with ESPN, or a sports columinst of any sort for that matter, if you didn't speak in absolutes.
I agree that it's ridiculous that Shaq has only one MVP award. For many years, I looked at the MVP as an MVPNNSO (Most Valuable Player Not Named Shaquille O'Neal) and eventually became used to the fact that, for some inexplicable reason, Shaq did not win the MVP award every year (Except in 2003, when Duncan won his second. Duncan was absolutely the MVP that year). It's kind of an even more twisted version of the Jordan MVPs, at least Jordan won five of them (He should have seven, Barkley and Malone have no business winning one over MJ). In this case, the media (hey, wait, do YOU have a vote?) felt that giving Shaq one was enough.
Can somebody explain to me how Duncan has two MVPs and Shaq only has one? Iverson? Hey, he's the best pure scorer in the NBA, but the guy will never win anything, ever.
Garnett deserved it last year, hard to argue.
But, saying that Nash winning the MVP is "laughable" is laughable. Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, and Richardson had career years...because of Nash. The wide-open 3's? Because of Nash's ability to penetrate the lane and collapse the defense in on him. The alley-oops? You ever thrown an alley-oop pass? (wait, don't answer that one) They make it look a lot easier than it actually is- the timing and vision that it requires on both parts requires a lot of practice. And a lot of these alley-oops are in traffic. Nash's ability to see the open man is trumped only by one point guard in the NBA- the erstwhile Sun, Jason Kidd (who I would have given the MVP to in 2002 before Duncan, but not before Shaq). But what makes Nash so dangerous, so valuable even, is the fact that he has a deadly shooting range. You creep up on him, he'll zip around you; you give him a foot, he'll drill the jumper every time.
His ability to score on the perimeter allows him to run circles around defenses. Penetrate and kick, penetrate and lay it in, pick your poison.
So, smart guy, you might ask, why is it that Nash is only now breaking out? He was surrounded by stars in Dallas and never reached this plateau.
True, but Nash is the (pardon me, but I like this saying) straw that stirs the drink. You add the right ingredients and Nash is the best floor general around. Stoudemire is a great player and is going to be a perennial MVP candidate, but he's very young, and has a lot of leaks in his game. I'm not sure where you got the idea that he's a shot-blocker, Stoudemire averages 1.6bpg-rarely timely- that's .1 bgp more than Dirk Nowitzki, who nobody ever accuses of being a shot-blocker, so let's drop that charade.
Stoudemire has a serious problem passing out of the double team, as well. Nash makes it difficult to commit a double team on Amare, because Amare will just kick it back out to Nash for the 20-footer.
These high-flying acrobatics would not be possible without Nash. You don't see how much Nash opens up the floor, much like the people who claim that Wade is the Heat's MVP (a crazy notion, indeed) can't see how much Shaq opens up the floor. Nash is the reason that the defenses are stretched so thin. If you clog the lane, Nash swings it around the perimeter, if you guard the perimeter, Nash penetrates and kicks like nobody in the league. It's like an inverse Shaq effect.
Amare is the X-factor for Nash's ability to leap to the next level, obviously. Amare is the perfect pick-and-roll guy. He's a dominating low-post presence (something the Mavs never had) and has the ability to step out and hit the 16-footer with regularity. While Amare has elevated Nash's game, Nash has elevated Amare's game even more. It's a two-way street.
The effect is contageous. The team sees Nash sharing the ball, and everybody wants to do it. They all want to be involved.
Also, PG is by far a more complex position than center. You have the ball in your hands more than any other player and are responsible for making the decisions in a split-second. Without somebody to handle the ball, who gets in to the big guy? Name me a great center in the post-Chamberlain era that didn't have at least a decent ballhandler to dump it in to him. As Charles Barkley said, "Any knucklehead can score." Running an offense that has no structure like the Suns? An all-improv, all the time offense? Now THAT's difficult.
Now, don't get me wrong, if Shaq had won the award, I would have been fine with it. If I had a vote, I would have had to split it between the two somehow.
Shaq went out East and dominated. Out East where there is virutally no size. Out East where the second best center is a complete offensive liability who, despite being named Defensive Player of the Year three times now, couldn't guard Shaq one-on-one if Shaq played on his knees. Yes, I understand how dominant Shaq is, and he's very valuable, and it's an outrage that AI and Tim Duncan won awards over Shaq, but the East is still Miami, Detroit and a bunch of scrubby teams (Indiana would be a legit contender if they didn't have Ron ArCrazy to worry about). The West is a minefield of tough teams, even with Shaq in South Beach. And the Suns STILL finished with the best record in the league.
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Nice email. While I unfortunately agree with Bayless on who he thinks should be MVP, I think he's generally a misinformed firebrand who is all to eager to shoot off at the mouth. I just don't like him. I don't like him in a way that the sound of his voice makes my teeth grind. Nash's case for MVP is just as strong as Shaq's. There isn't really a "wrong" choice.
Nice email? WTF is everyone in country thinking? Its as simple as this!...the fucking Heat went to the playoffs! And the Suns won 29 games last season. Lets see, what did they do different this season? Oh I don't know,...maybe they bought some magic fairy dust? No!!!!! They got the MVP of the leage before they knew he was really that good. Place anyone else, even Kidd, on that team and no one would come close.
I watch the Suns and Nash and I am reminded of what Jason Kidd used to do when he was young. And Nash is doing this now. No one is saying that he the greatest player ever. All MVP means is that he meant the most to his team. The Heat would've made it to the playoffs again without Shaq, but the Suns would be lost without Steve.
I watch the Suns and Nash and I am reminded of what Jason Kidd used to do when he was young. And Nash is doing this now. No one is saying that he the greatest player ever. All MVP means is that he meant the most to his team. The Heat would've made it to the playoffs again without Shaq, but the Suns would be lost without Steve.
As I've been saying in a series of posts, I agree with Alan's comment that there really isn't a wrong choice. I just think that Bayless was out of line saying that Nash's selection was laughable.
Brent you sos,...I know you saw the Spurs game. That game was a preview of what is to come in the WCF. I know we have a truce but I just want you to get ready for everyone else to bash on the Suns if and when they lose.
I know you guys will win the series, probably in a sweep but you guys are in for a rude awakening...or are we?
I know you guys will win the series, probably in a sweep but you guys are in for a rude awakening...or are we?
Strong email. All that was missing was a comment on Skip's new feathered hairdoo.
Brent, can you please get in touch with me. We are interested in interviewing you on the Suns for Swish!, our NBA Radio show. (www.mysportsradio.com)
I would have emailed you directly, but didn't see one on the blog.
Keep up the great work!
Sam
samc@alum.mit.edu
Brent, can you please get in touch with me. We are interested in interviewing you on the Suns for Swish!, our NBA Radio show. (www.mysportsradio.com)
I would have emailed you directly, but didn't see one on the blog.
Keep up the great work!
Sam
samc@alum.mit.edu
Its okay that the suns lost. The spurs gave one game up so far as well. Just don't let it happen again Phoenix
I'm sorry but I just have to say it...what the *uck are the suns doing letting richardson shoot the last shot instead of the MVP? That was bad judgement on him and that idiot only shoots and makes three's, I don't think I've ever seen do anything else. He should've made that shot as open as he was. I hate to say it but your team folded under pressure. Right now I am so glad I am a Spurs fan and not a suns fan. That's just too much pressure for you guys.
Seattle was in a slump towards the end of the season, but they were just as hot as the Suns at the beginning. They also beat the Spurs pretty convincingly. So far the Spurs have played a tough series in round 1 and they aren't playing an "easy" team in round 2.
Seattle is the 3 seed because they won their division, not because they have a better record than Dallas. The Mavericks went 58-24; Seattle went 52-30 in a weaker division. Dallas is a better team than Seattle.
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